things I don't get

[mickeym]

Okay, so, this is the summary of the kink fill: Summary: This is my fill from a prompt on spnkink-meme: "Jared adopts a five year old little boy named Jensen. Jared tries to be a normal dad but he becomes more and more attractive to Jensen. One day after giving Jensen a bath he decides he can't take it anymore. Jared starts slowly conditioning the boy to like everything his dad does to him.
He starts with little touches, then fondling the boys little cock, then teaching the boy to suck his dad's cock and vice versa.
It eventually leads to sex. I'd love a detailed description of Jared huge cock penetrating his little boy's hole.
By the time sex happens Jensen wants it so bad. His daddy training worked so well he's begging for it."
DisclaimerI do not know or own (sadly) Jared and Jensen. They belong to themselves. This is fiction please to not be suing.
Warning:EXTREME UNDERAGE, m/m sex, dub con(ish),toys and again EXTREME UNDERAGE. Possible triggers.

I'm going to speed right on past the whole consent issues/age of child/fill content because my brain will explode otherwise, and that's not really what I'm wondering about.

What I'm really not getting here is that ALL of that is outside a cut...so while yay, the author is warning for 'possible triggers' it seems to me that just reading the summary/prompt itself could be pretty damn triggery, yes? I know I've seen people put the summary/prompt under a cut, or with the shading that has to be highlighted to see...haven't I?

I mean, am I wrong here? Again, NOT commenting on the fill itself, just the manner in which it's presented. I feel sometimes like we try too hard to sanitize everything, but in this case, I find myself wondering if a comment to the author to please put the prompt under a cut with a note about how THAT is possibly triggery wouldn't be the thing to do?

Thoughts? Comments? I'm doing homework in between this, but I'll be checking back, because I'm genuinely curious as to what y'all think.


ETA: I went ahead and commented thusly: Hey, there :) I want to ask a favor here, and that be that you put the summary/prompt under a cut of its own, because that's triggery in and of itself. (Do it just as you would a cut for a story, but close it with < /lj-cut > -- without the spaces, obviously.)

I know this is a hardcore comm and all, but some things are triggers for folks even in this comm, and something that descriptive could definitely cause problems for someone.

Thanks :)

Hopefully that's to the point and not...confrontational or anything.

Comments

[mickeym.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, it's not illegal -- just really icky. In order to be illegal (as in child pornography), it has to be a visual representation/depiction. (I went looking for the legal definition of 'child pornography'.)

From here:

Child pornography is the visual representation of minors under the age of 18 engaged in sexual activity or the visual representation of minors engaging in lewd or erotic behavior designed to arouse the viewer's sexual interest.

Child pornography may include actual or simulated sexual intercourse involving minors, deviant sexual acts, bestiality, masturbation, sado-masochistic abuse, or the exhibition of genitals in a sexually arousing fashion. In most instances, however, the mere visual depiction of a nude or partially nude minor does not rise to the level of child pornography. Thus, home movies, family pictures, and educational books depicting nude children in a realistic, non-erotic setting are protected by the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and do not constitute child pornography.

And yeah, if someone is working through their issues reading or writing it, more power to them. But that is definitely stuff that belongs behind a cut, with flashing neon warnings.

[lightthesparks.livejournal.com]

Depends on where you live. In my country, depending on how explicit the content is, even pieces of literature or art can be deemed as child pornography, i.e. writing something like the thing above would definitely be illegal. Which, honestly, makes me feel pretty damn good about my country right now.

[rahaeli.livejournal.com]

It's actually a lot more complicated than that. The law was revised in 2003 so that textual depictions can be considered child pornography, if they are also judged to be 'obscene', which requires a judgement call (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test) by the judge hearing the prosecution arguments. (The law also chnaged the definition so that a drawing/painting/cartoon/photomanip/etc can also be considered child pornography, whereas before it had to be a real minor.)

So, it'd depend on the judge, but yeah, there's a good chance something like that would be found illegal (and the author and/or anyone who downloaded it sent to jail and required to register as a sex offender once they were released). Mind you, whether or not it would ever get prosecuted would depend on the jurisdiction, and is highly unlikely given how much actual child pornography is out there and how little resources there are for the taskforces, but, yeah.

(Ironically, a messageboard/mailing list/forum where people discuss the age of consent laws and campaign for their removal would be less likely to be prosecuted/found guilty than someone writing fiction.)